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15th-Apr-2010 02:45 am - Angreeeee Atheism
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So PZ Meyers one day wrote this.

And then Michael De Dora wrote this
.

And so PZ Meyers wrote THIS

And in case you're wondering who both or either of these guys are, or just don't want to bother clicking all those links then at least click/watch what it all started over:




And yes, you will probably watch this video and give an epic eye roll to Fox for once again making some religious nut-job famous for five minutes while they gently jerk him off in what is suppose to pass as news reporting.

The point is PZ Meyers did what he was good at - he made an angry passionate post, mocking Fox, mocking Religious-zealot dad and defending the position of the biology text book in question.

This is where De Dora comes in.  De Dora is the Executive Director of the Center for Inquiry in New York and has been taken to task by PZ Meyers (and other atheists) before after blogging about the risks of angry atheism.  De Dora responded to Meyers post about the biology book issue disagreeing with Meyers position. By the time we get to back to Meyers he's on an all out flame war calling De Dora things like witless, weasely and wanker.

First of all, let me just say I love me some PZ and I think he does great work. But I am also greatly disappointed by his response to De Dora. If you take the time to read what De Dora has to say, his heart is in the right place. He's taking a lot of heat from atheist and I get the feeling (even in my local CFI group) that they think there is some conspiracy to have placed a religious apologist in a high position. But that is not at all what he is.  He makes it clear that he is an atheist but he is also a secularist. And with his position comes a responsibility to approach these issues with level-headed moderation.  

In the end, as much as it pains me, I have to say that PZ was wrong. There is no place in a biology text book to introduce a philosophical question about the "myth of Christianity". He argues that science has an obligation to dispute beliefs not based on scientific evidence. While I agree with that statement as it pertains to science, it is not the place of school textbooks to introduce unsubstantiated beliefs for the sole purpose of disagreeing with them. Certainly there are all sorts of beliefs with no basis of evidence that the text book would never be able to cover. More so ever, if we are to abide by a truly secular position in the matter of public education than we are obligated to protect both sides of the secular issue. We should know better. Scientists and school book editors should certainly know better and not give ridiculous loud-mouths like Zimmerman a leg to stand on in the first place.  If the statement had been in a history or philosophy text book then Zimmerman would not have been able to bring it forth.

PZ Meyers should save the vitriol for the people that really deserve it. There is so many ways that anger is useful and valuable in the debate on religion but it becomes pointless when it is turned on allies and in this case I think he only ends up reinforcing De Dora's position on the risks of angry atheism.
Greying
Here's a European perspective on what is going on in Northern Alberta. I have seen the devastation they describe first hand and it is truly horrifying to behold. Not the best thing about being Canadian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/nov/30/canada-tar-sands-copenhagen-climate-deal
25th-Nov-2009 08:45 pm - What's next
Greying
I am sorry for being so absent and then only popping in to drop bombshells. It has been 5 weeks since that bomb went off. Much has happened. I left. I wrestled with my decision but I did not go back. A kind friend put me up for a few weeks, then coincidence and connections delivered me a beautiful furnished flat within my price range (well, barely).

So I am officially on my own. It is surreal and not at all filling me with joy and relief. Mostly I feel empty, strange, out of place, and longing for the comfort of old routines. Yet I know I surely have done what is right for me so I suppose it is just a waiting game.

He won't speak to me at all. Will not respond to emails. I am prepared to wait a little bit longer I guess. In the meantime, 'spies' give me tidbits of information. I worry about him a lot. I want him to start healing and I wish there was something I could do to help because I care about him a great deal.
29th-Aug-2009 03:13 pm - Party time
Greying
Posted especially for sunsmogseahorse 


From: David Thorne
Date: Monday 8 Dec 2008 11.04am
To: Matthew S
Subject: R.S.V.P.

Dear Matthew,
Thankyou for the party invite. At first glance I thought it may be a child’s party what with it being vibrant and having balloons but I realise you probably did your best with what little tools were available. I wouldn’t miss it for the world. What time would you like me there?

Regards, David.

From: Matthew S
Date: Monday 8 Dec 2008 3.48pm
To: David Thorne
Subject: Re: R.S.V.P.

Hi David
Sorry the note was just to let you know that we might be a bit loud that night. The house warming is really just for friends and family but you can drop past for a beer if you like.
Cheers Matthew

From: David Thorne
Date: Monday 8 Dec 2008 5.41pm
To: Matthew S
Subject: Re: Re: R.S.V.P.

Thanks Matthew,
Including me in your list of friends and family means a lot. You and I don’t tend to have long discussions when we meet in the hallway and I plan to put a stop to that. Next time we bump into each other I intend to have a very long conversation with you and I am sure you are looking forward to that as much as I am. I have told my friend Ross that you are having a party and he is as excited as I am. Do you want us to bring anything or will everything be provided?

Regards, David.

From: Matthew S
Date: Tuesday 9 Dec 2008 10.01am
To: David Thorne
Subject: Re: Re: Re: R.S.V.P.

Hi David
As I said, my housewarming is just for friends and family. There is not a lot of room so cant really have to many people come. Sorry about that mate.
Cheers Matthew

From: David Thorne
Date: Tuesday 9 Dec 2008 2.36pm
To: Matthew S
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: R.S.V.P.

Dear Matthew,
I can appreciate that, our apartments are not very large are they? I myself like to go for a jog every night to keep fit but fear leaving the house so I have to jog on the spot taking very small steps with my arms straight down. I understand the problems of space restrictions all too well. If you would like to store some of your furniture at my place during the party you are quite welcome to – if we move your cane furniture into my spare room for the night and scatter cushions on the ground, that would provide a lot more seating and create a cozy atmosphere at the same time. I have a mirror ball that you can borrow. I have told Ross not to invite anyone else due to the space constraints so it will just be us two and my other friend Simon. When I told Simon that Ross and I were going to a party he became quite angry that I had not invited him as well so I really didn’t have any choice as he can become quite violent. Sometimes I am afraid to even be in the same room as him. So just myself Ross and Simon. Simon’s girlfriend has a work function on that night but might come along after that if she can get a lift with friends.

Regards, David.

From: Matthew S
Date: Tuesday 9 Dec 2008 4.19pm
To: David Thorne
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: R.S.V.P.

Wtf? Nobody can come to the houswarming party it is just for friends and family. I dont even know these people. How do you know I have cane furniture? Are you the guy in apartment 1?

From: David Thorne
Date: Tuesday 9 Dec 2008 6.12pm
To: Matthew S
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R.S.V.P.

Hi Matthew,
I understand it is an exclusive party and I appreciate you trusting my judgement on who to bring. I just assumed you have cane furniture, doesn’t everybody? Cane is possibly one of the most renewable natural resources we have after plastic, it is not only strong but lightweight and attractive. Every item in my apartment is made of cane, including my television. It looks like the one from Gilligan’s Island but is in colour of course. Do you remember that episode where a robot came to the island? That was the best one in my opinion. I always preferred Mary Anne to Ginger, same with Flintstones – I found Betty much more attractive than Wilma but then I am not really keen on redheads at all. They have freckles all over their body did you know? It’s the ones on their back and shoulders that creep me out the most.

Anyway, Ross rang me today all excited about the party and asked me what the theme is, I told him that I don’t think there is a theme and we discussed it and feel that it should be an eighties themed party. I have a white suit and projector and am coming as Nik Kershaw. I have made a looping tape of ‘wouldn’t it be good’ to play as I am sure you will agree that this song rocks and has stood the test of time well. I am in the process of redesigning your invites appropriately and will get a few hundred of them printed off later today. I will have to ask you for the money for this as print cartridges for my Epson are pretty expensive. They stopped making this model a month after I bought it and I have to get the cartridges sent from China. Around $120 should cover it. You can just pop the money in my letter box if I don’t see you before tonight.

Regards, David.

From: Matthew S
Date: Wednesday 10 Dec 2008 11.06pm
To: David Thorne
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R.S.V.P.

What the fuck are yout alking about? There is no theme for the party it is just a few friends and family. noone else can come IT IS ONLY FOR MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY do you understand? Do not print anything out because I am not paying for something I dont need and didnt ask you to do! look I am sorry but i am heaps busy and that night is not convenient. Are you in Apatrment1?

From: David Thorne
Date: Thursday 11 Dec 2008 9.15am
To: Matthew S
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R.S.V.P.

Hello Matthew,
I agree that it is not very convenient and must admit that when I first received your invitation I was perplexed that it was on a Sunday night but who am I to judge. No, I am in apartment 3B. Our bedroom walls are touching so when we are sleeping our heads are only a few feet apart. If I put my ear to the wall I can hear you. I also agree with you that having a particular theme for your party may not be the best choice, it makes more sense to leave it open as a generic fancy dress party, that way everyone can come dressed in whatever they want. Once, I went to a party in a bear outfit which worked out well as it was freezing and I was the only one warm. As it won’t be cold the night of your party, I have decided to come as a Ninja. I think it would be really good if you dressed as a ninja as well and we could perform a martial arts display for the other guests. I have real swords and will bring them. If you need help with your costume let me know, I have made mine by wrapping a black t-shirt around my face with a hooded jacket and cut finger holes in black socks for the gloves. I do not have any black pants so will spray paint my legs on the night.

It is a little hard to breathe in the costume so I will need you to keep the window open during the party to provide good air circulation. Actually, I just had a thought, how awesome would it be if I arrived ‘through’ the window like a real ninja. We should definitely do that. I just measured the distance between our balconies and I should be able to jump it. I once leaped across a creek that was over five metres wide and almost made it.

Also, you mentioned in your invitation that if there was anything I needed, to let you know. My car is going in for a service next week and I was wondering, seeing as we are good friends now, if it would be ok to borrow yours on that day. I hate catching the bus as they are full of poor people who don’t own cars.

Regards, David.

From: Matthew S
Date: Thursday 11 Dec 2008 3.02pm
To: David Thorne
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R.S.V.P.

WTF? No you cant borrow my car and there is no fucking 3B. I reckon you are that guy from Apartment 1. You are not coming to my house warming and you are not bringing any of your friends. What the fuck is wrong with you??? The only people invited are friends and family I told you that. It is just drinks there is no fucking fancy dress and only people i know are coming! I dont want to be rude but jesus fucking christ man.

From: David Thorne
Date: Sunday 14 Dec 2008 2.04am
To: Matthew S
Subject: Party

Hello Matthew,
I have been away since Thursday so have not been able to check my email from home. Flying back late today in time for the party and just wanted to say that we are really looking forward to it. Will probably get there around eleven or twelve, just when it starts to liven up. Simon’s girlfriend Cathy’s work function was cancelled so she can make it afterall which is good news. She will probably have a few friends with her so they will take the mini van. Also, I have arranged a Piñata.

Regards, David.

 



19th-Jul-2009 03:49 pm(no subject)
baby phone
Humour is a strange thing, it is often misinterpreted, misunderstood, and of course sometimes it just downright offensive. The problem is how to know which is which? I do think there is a bit of an art in creating a joke that is complex enough to walk the line. Satire is funny because it does that. It is also problematic because we live in a world of extreme viewpoints and so it is difficult to differentiate the intentions of the speaker without previous knowledge or proper context.

Yesterday one of my Twitter jokes made Leaderboard, which happens often enough but this one made page one. Many people thought it was hilarious and some people were outright offended which caused an internet shit-storm most of which I didn't even know about until someone told me a day later. Ironically, none of the people offended sent me a single message personally letting me know they were bothered by what I said. Instead I took all the "stars" I was getting as confirmation of a popular joke.

The gist of it, same as what I put on facebook: "On the plane, single mom across the aisle of Downs Syndrome Child that screams every ten minutes and startles me awake. Why do bad things only happen to me?"

I realize if you happen to be the parent of a handicapped child this may be a sensitive point for you. On the other hand you may also be the kind of parent in that situation that sees the ridiculousness of my narcissism, the pure outrageousness of my ableism to be nothing but satire and would find the humour. Eye of the beholder I guess.

I discussed this today with my friend BJ, he told me the story of wearing his tee shirt in NYC with a picture of the pyramids and the words "Slavery Gets Shit Done". His shirt offended some people of colour; he never had a chance to engage them in a discussion and that seems a shame. I think the humour is brilliant exactly because it is preposterous in its honesty.

But at the end of the day, I don't think I really want to have to explain satire to people, it is tiring, just as tiring trying as explaining to people why some jokes really are offensive.

7th-Jul-2009 01:07 pm - Coverage of the Jackson Funeral
baby phone

"Ladies and Gentlemen there is a huge outpouring of grief here in the city of LA today. People were sobbing as the Nike Coffin coffin was lifted into the Coca-Cola hearse and sped away from the Staples Center. It is a sad sad day as the crowds gather, but please remember this funeral has been brought to you by Dell and Swiffer. Please stay tuned, after these commercial messages we will bring you live coverage via Absolute Vodka's Eye-in-the-Sky as Madonna leads the processional on her unicorn. We know that the final burial ceremony is going to be a real treat and rumors are that it will be Tito who gets to pound in the stake."

1st-Jul-2009 03:05 pm(no subject)
baby phone

30th-Jun-2009 01:35 pm(no subject)
homo
I think my new drag name will be: "Chia Boob"


also, new product I'll be selling.  ACT NOW!
28th-Jun-2009 01:15 pm(no subject)
Greying
IN HONOUR OF BILLY MAYS I'M LEAVING MY CAPS LOCK ON ALL DAY
28th-Jun-2009 12:18 pm(no subject)
baby phone
I feel bad for the gays. Most of us had a fantasy involving Billy Mays. Of course, it usually involved a ballgag, but still....
26th-Jun-2009 01:33 pm(no subject)
think
Wait a second......is this one of those Shyamalan trick endings where it's actually ALL OF US that are dead?
25th-Jun-2009 10:07 pm(no subject)
baby phone
"Heeeeeeeeerreeeeeeessss Faaaaraaaaaahhhhhh"

"Heeeeeeeereeeeesssssssss Michaaaaaaaaaaaaaaeeelll"


God: "Stop it Ed"



What? Too soon? 
25th-Jun-2009 01:41 pm - When do I stop spelling "Kaauaiaiai"?
baby phone
Just want to let everyone know that I am having a great time in Hawai'i.  Except the other day when I got raped by the Pacific Ocean. I have sand so far up my hoohoo, I've decided to leave it there and make a pearl.

We're sending Robin home tonight. His skin can't handle another day blistering in the sun. Some of you would probably loving apply aloe to him, I'm more of a "roll my eyes and yell I TOLD YOU SO" kind of guy though.

Heading out for breakfast soon. Our hosts, Rob and Jerry have been lovely and gracious letting us stay in their beautiful condo and showing us all around the island. Of course, nothing says thank you like lying around in front of them in your tighty whities - ladies & gentlemen: my boyfriend.

Yesterday we went zip-lining through the rain forest which is only terrifying the first couple of lines. Once you feel secure, you can appreciate the beautiful scenery, not limited to "Moses" the Hawaiian guide (hubba hubba). Of course, it's hard to feel sexy once you've peed your shorts.

Three and half more days in paradise. I may upload some pictures later, or then again I may just get drunk on Rob's crazy delicious Pina Coladas.
22nd-Jun-2009 01:36 am(no subject)
Greying
This beach in Hawaii is crazy beautiful! But, the bathroom is so far, I feel like I just came back from a spirit walk.


My new name is Nomopee
20th-Jun-2009 06:16 am(no subject)
Greying
First day of vacation. Insanely busy couple of weeks trying to get work projects under control. Haven't had much time to post, figures that the first moment I would have would be in an airport - story of my life.

Off to a shitty start, flights came in late last night, which means they leave late today, which means we miss our connection to Lihui. UA desk agent was clearly stressed trying to reschedule us. Who would have thought so many people were going to Hawaii in June. She moved us onto a flight that was already oversold that will get us in 7 hours later. Which I think is funny because somehow she guaranteed us a seat but obviously someone else is getting bumped. Such is the dog-eat-dog of air travel.

First time using my Nexus card so I got pulled aside for interrogation. So far this Nexus thing has turned out to be nothing but a huge pain in the ass, well not reall - the cavity search was so amateur.

We now have 7 hours to kill in SF. No idea what we'll do, I guess maybe go look around a bit and then head back to the airport. I'm bummed because I just want to get to the Island.

For anyone that is interested, we are staying on Kuaaiaiia - but I never know when stop spelling Hawaiian words.
15th-Jun-2009 09:04 am(no subject)
baby phone
I don't want to set expectations too high, but so far today I've composed an email and photocopied my hand.

Upper management, here I come.
13th-Jun-2009 03:54 pm(no subject)
think
Does this perfectly folded fitted-sheet make me look gay?
12th-Jun-2009 06:19 pm(no subject)
think
I laugh in the face of anthropomorphism.
12th-Jun-2009 10:20 am(no subject)
baby phone
Boss called wondering why I'm not in today. The blanket tossed over a clump of pillows on my office chair didn't work as planned.
12th-Jun-2009 09:46 am - This is what white girls do.
Greying
Thank you jpeace  for making my day.  Watch this video because the best part about it is a stadium full of jocks screaming I WISH I WAS A TEENAGE GIRL!




11th-Jun-2009 09:37 pm - More than meets the eye
baby phone
I've ordered one of these online and it has taken care of the neighbours cat problem. And the neighbour. And her car.Oh and her house is just a pile of matchsticks.
11th-Jun-2009 06:39 pm(no subject)
baby phone
jpeace is the Julia Sugarbaker of LiveJournal




9th-Jun-2009 01:32 pm(no subject)
Greying
How many hipsters does it take to screw in a light bulb?

1. It is a really obscure number and you have probably never heard of it.

2. Who cares? The light bulb was better before it changed.

3. At least 5 to scrape enough change together to buy the light bulb in the first place.

4. However many Pitchfork says it takes to change a light bulb

5. Who cares? it'll just be another tired rehashing of the way Lou Reed changes light bulbs.

6. Only 3 when they did it at the black cat, but this time through town it took 9 for some reason.

7. Nobody changes lightbulbs since they signed with that major label.

8. Two. One to change it in an ironic fashion and one to get it.

9. Who can tell through these fake hornrims and manicured scruff?

10. *sigh* I have this joke on vinyl.
8th-Jun-2009 08:47 pm - Hand storm
Greying
8th-Jun-2009 07:50 pm - For Amanda's bumper:
lolbrb
"Amen" is Christian for "Abracadabra"
8th-Jun-2009 07:44 pm(no subject)
baby phone
Client: "The datafile I created for you - I closed it and didn't save."

Me: "You can restore it."

Client: "Really! How?"

Me: "Just go into control panel, under Leprechaun Magic."

Client: "I hate you."
8th-Jun-2009 10:56 am(no subject)
think
What the hell am I suppose to do when life hands me lemmings?
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